for example israel is shifting a good part of nuclear forces to see. now this makes sense. it's a good thing to do. the iranians are countering by mobilizing missiles and fixed silos to launch. we could go into details but i'm trying to rise above this and point out there are already strong interactions in these military systems and regions. >> eliot: as the number of nuclear nations increases does the inevitability of a nuclear confrontation almost make you certain there will be in the next 30, 40, 50 years a nuclear war? >> i'm not that pessimistic. the problem is the nature of the country. if you tell me that japan were to get nuclear weapons i wouldn't like it, or canada. but when you tell in iran will have nuclear weapons pakistan has doubled the size of its arrestagriculturearsenal, and that does give cause. >> eliot: pushing nonproliferation which you argue has failed, and you list its grown significantly and as well as we've reduced our nuclear stops, both the united states and russia to the point they're smaller than they used to be, but certainly sufficient right